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Old 10-28-2011, 01:37 AM
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Question Odd Red Tape Dream

I'm not sure if this falls into the love/relationship dreams category, but feel free to move it if anyone thinks so.


In my dream, after a nonsensical bout of whimsy parachuting with some evil characters and landing somewhere in the neighborhood of reality...
I am wandering down the street, passing the little shops, a new restaurant (Mexican food) I remember reading about. I see the street that a beloved friend lives on, his rented home, the 3rd house. I begin to approach it, then turn back...remembering that my cellphone does not work, and my parents don't know where I am. Oh wait, screw that idea, I haven't seen [friend] in some time and though he claims not to feel the same way; I love him dearly. I turn and start walking up the street, fiddling with the phone. When I look up, I see [friend] staring at me from across the street, watering a beautiful flower garden that does not exist outside this dream. He waves and I wave back before crossing the road. He greets me and hugs me with one arm, still watering the garden. A pink carnation-like flowering shrub particularly catches my attention. He introduces me to a female friend/roommate and invites me inside.

[completely and utterly nonsensical part of dream: skipped]

Standing next to [friend] while he sits in a chair, in a sudden rush of heat I turn and bite him on the cheek. He smiles, and I smile back (though shocked with myself). He invites me to sit on his lap, which I do, leaning my head against his shoulder.

(This part is what really needs interpretation!)
(I would also like to note that my friend is celibate.)
There's a brief blur, a missing part or something, and then I find that we are in a bright, soft, white place and preparing to make love.
The place feels like a room, but looks like infinity! Whiteness, purity, forever.
We are sitting on a soft red blanket, and there is a change in the air...it moves in calmly like fog; a warm surreal, spiritual feeling. I am touching [friend]'s face and hair, and he is doing the same to me. I discover he is becoming an amorphous-type being (maybe I am also, but I cannot see any part of my own body), his face changes to the pressure of my touch before returning to the way it was. He touches my arm and his hand comes away with a shiny newsprint-like fabric. Our clothes have also become alien substance. He pulls another hand of newsprint from me and I see red tape is wrapping his entire torso, arms, neck and face. I touch his face and hair like it is a comforting gesture and begin to gingerly unwrap the tape from his body. He smiles passively. It is one entire strand of tape that his clothing seems to have changed to, realizing this as I pull tape gently from his curly hair. I just keep unwrapping, and unwrapping red tape continuously...then finally the last part is visible. The last piece is around his neck, which makes me think "why did the tape wrapping start around his throat?".
I remember pulling off the last of the red tape and touching [friend]'s neck to signify a feeling of "it's ok, it's all over now", him smiling, and we are very happy... In our white infinite room, on our red blanket, amorphous spiritual beings sitting amongst a pile of endless red tape.

I have some theories to the meaning of this. However:
All opinions, interpretations, comments...are very much appreciated.
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Old 11-01-2011, 12:06 PM
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Red tape makes me think of unnecessary complications that delay things.

Are you attracted to your friend in any way?

Is it possible that his celibacy is making him more attractive to you? (forbidden fruit). Could that be the complication?
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Old 11-01-2011, 03:07 PM
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i noticed you used the number 3 when you said the house number.

[In our white infinite room, on our red blanket, amorphous spiritual beings sitting amongst a pile of endless red tape.] again you use three here too.

[Standing next to [friend] while he sits in a chair, in a sudden rush of heat I turn and bite him on the cheek. He smiles, and I smile back (though shocked with myself). He invites me to sit on his lap, which I do, leaning my head against his shoulder. ] three here to

But Aader what does this mean? simple you love him but he is a Cellibate. Many Psych-Analyst believe that the number 3 has alot to do with a religion. now if you are 18 up it may mean he is your "the one" who knows the answer is up to you.
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Old 11-04-2011, 05:44 AM
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I'd like to note that the dream lost the lustful, sexual tone once the white room appears.

@ Marcia:
I was attracted to him before I knew he was celibate.
I was disappointed when he explained to me.
When I told him I loved him he explained why he is still single, with one reason being that the girls he's dated won't be with him if he doesn't give them sex.
I don't know why he chose celibacy yet, but he's a very sweet creature and I'm willing to settle for less than the others...so I don't feel it's so much "forbidden fruit" in a sexual sense.


@ Aader
Can you elaborate on the incorporation of 3s in my lines??
Is it my sections between punctuation that has 3s? x_x
I do love him, through his generally foreign spirituality, celibacy, and all. Makes me want to pursue the spiritual meditative lifestyle too.
He's looking for a life partner, and I'd love to be that person for him, but I'm only a dear little 16 year old.
[Friend] says
"You are not your body, your age, personality. You are your soul. And you have a beautiful soul" And no matter how drastically "ahead of my time" people tell me I am...is it enough to ever be?

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Old 11-10-2011, 09:52 AM
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Why are you willing to settle for less than the others? Does that say something about how much you value yourself?
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Old 11-12-2011, 05:58 AM
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I was thinking more along the lines of "others are too greedy or shallow to see something more meaningful in a relationship than physical appearance and sex, or even have sex for love instead of purely for pleasure"...but I do have a tendency to think little of myself so that's something to consider too.
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Old 11-12-2011, 04:35 PM
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You are wise to see that a relationship has much more to it than sex and, though your dream is not specifically or graphically sexual, it certainly deals with "two becoming one."

How do you perceive this man's stance on celibacy? Do you see it - for that matter, does he see it - as involving sex alone, or as preventing any relationship from growing into love and marriage?

I don't know if "red tape" has the same associations to you and your generation as it does to mine and Marcia's; but the vibes I'm getting is that unwinding that red tape has to do with working through his attitudes toward a relationship. After all, you seem to have made it clear to him that you're not dragging him off to bed. I wonder if, beneath his expressed sentiment, there isn't a fear of any relationship with a woman.

Speaking from the vantage of 67 years, 38 of them married, that fear might be appropriate for a man his age, down to a certain point. He strikes me as having gone past that point.
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Old 11-18-2011, 08:25 PM
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I see celibacy as an interesting choice morally, but relatively unnecessary.
Sex is natural, and as a human I prefer to relate it with love and partnership.
My friend claims that sex is "evil" and it goes against nature to use contraception (though other species appear to mate for pleasure, and use contraceptive-like tactics).
There are ties to spirituality involving sex too, but I believe that you should just be choosy about partners to not "corrupt" your spiritual self.

Okay, I should lay the cards on the table here...
[Friend] claims sex is "evil", that sex ruins the relationship for him, and seems to be hiding a fear that he will be "corrupted" by people and his spiritual progress or higher self will be harmed in a way.

I claim sex is natural, is fine for a loving relationship, and is not just for physical pleasure (there are spirit related effects).
I do agree with him that preoccupation with sex will harm your focus on improving the self, spiritual progression, etc...but I'm not intending to feed an addiction to either of us.
His aversion to sex just concerns me, considering he's told me he's had partners before and he said "sex wasn't what I thought it would be like".


As for the red tape, I feel that you are correct in saying it represents working through his attitudes toward a relationship. He's very open, does want to spend time with me, occasionally gives me an affectionate nickname, ... I think it's absolutely obvious that I'm not dragging him off to bed. But there's some information you just can't get out of him and I can't get my head around what it is he thinks is so, so bad.
This dream was my revelation of sorts...sex is in the media, it's on our television, people go hook up with people they don't even know, people become addicted...but it doesn't have to be that way. You can have a loyal, supportive relationship and be able to make love without having to fear things. It doesn't change who you are as a person.
I digress...anyways...

EDIT: BobW; you said "that fear might be appropriate for a man his age", what age are you assuming?
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Old 11-18-2011, 09:43 PM
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It's not so much an assumption as an observation. Let's face it, a lot of us in youth have rushed into relationships we've later regretted; and there's a lot to be said for getting a few years of life experience, some sort of economic floor under you, the kind of perspective that life gives as the years of schooling get farther behind. If he's much beyond his mid-twenties, I'd say that what was once at least arguably appropriate is now a problem.

I remember all those college friends whose names I saw in the "Marriage Licenses" column of the city newspaper; and how by the time I'd gotten back from the Army so many were in the "Divorces."

Sounds to me like that red tape is pretty thick. If he's Christian or Jewish, a pastor or rabbi might be able to straighten him out on the Bible's view of sex. Contrary to what many believe, we don't consider it "evil." Like all of creation, it can work either way.

I had to chuckle at this remark that "sex isn't what [he] thought it would be like." If only he knew how many of us thought that! Probably way too soon to tell him that it takes time.

I wish you well. Maybe in the end all you'll have is a lifelong friend; but that is indeed a pearl of great price.
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Old 11-21-2011, 08:32 PM
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Much thanks.
My thoughts are slightly more organized now...
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