those who have passed on - Page 2

Marcia · #11 (**permalink**) 02-10-2007, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by twink

he was out with the guys, totally uninvolved in a situation that arose, and he got shot by somebody who decided to shoot into the bar because he(shoooter) got kicked out.

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Originally Posted by Maljonic

It is possible, with Roy, that it was a coincidence I think - not that he was shot, but that you were thinking something bad might happen. I mean you're bound to be expecting bad things to happen if two friends were killed the same year.

I wouldn’t exactly call this a coincidence. To me, a coincidence consists of two completely unrelated occurrence. Roy was in a bar where people who get angry shoot other people. That must have made you realize, at least unconsciously, that Roy had a greater-than-average chance of being shot.

Maljonic · #12 (**permalink**) 02-10-2007, 08:14 PM

I never really thought of it like that, not knowing anything about the bar. Just being in a bar doesn't mean you're likely to get shot, does it?

twink · #13 (**permalink**) 02-11-2007, 03:13 PM

In response to the above, coincidence, I don't think that he was at higher risk, or anything...he had been going into this place for like 20+ years though we don't stop there on a regular basis by any means. I go in there maybe 3-6 times a year, and he probably only gets in there 10 times a year. But he has known the owners and all the regulars for most of his life 20-40 years in some cases... He was uninvolved in the drama that was going on, visiting with his friends who are all professionals, including at least one police officer. Unfortuantely, it doesn't matter where you are in this city, you are a target for crime...

As for the premonitions, or the strange gut feeling, no, I can't say that I get it and nothing happens, sometimes I just know it is worse than others, like it is more intense if it is directly going to affect someone I love or am close to. I woke one day frantic I had to talk to a client, and sure enough, he was in huge trouble. Another time, I knew it was just bad, and found out a client had been killed. I work in a field that is violent in nature, and unfortunately, I have also been affected by that on the personal side as well...who would have thought, small town girl goes to big city and sees all this!

Maljonic · #14 (**permalink**) 02-11-2007, 06:34 PM

If you work in a field that is violent in nature then you are expecting bad things to happen a lot. I'm not saying this belittles what you experience, but you have to factor some of that into your thoughts if you think about it logically?

Marcia · #15 (**permalink**) 02-12-2007, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Maljonic

I never really thought of it like that, not knowing anything about the bar. Just being in a bar doesn't mean you're likely to get shot, does it?

I was thinking that the fact that someone shot someone else because he didn't like the way that person treated him might say something about the types of people that frequent that particular bar (and the availability of firearms among people in that area).

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Originally Posted by twink

In Unfortuantely, it doesn't matter where you are in this city, you are a target for crime...

Twink, I think this proves Maljonic's point about violence being on your mind when you are awake. Also the fact that you did not grow up in this environment -"small town girl goes to big city" could mean that it affects you more than someone who grew up in that situation and has become somewhat numbed to it.

twink · #16 (**permalink**) 02-15-2007, 05:30 AM

in response,
the bar, any bar, has people who are not the norm, who all of a sudden are just there, that was why he was asked to leave by the bouncer...I don't think that is a reason to dis the bar, and this is coming from someone who doesn't like the bar-just not a place I ever felt comfortable...

I do know that I am surrounded by an environment that is filled with violence, but unfortunately, I grew up with the same fears, fear of someone breaking in the house, the house burning down..

I do believe (now, with time, thought, research) though that those that came to me in my dreams, were there to let me know, I needed to do something here, I wasn't anywhere near ready to pass on myself, and I needed to get busy. I also believe it was their personal wink to let me know I am never alone, so even though what I need to do may be difficult, I will get through it... I find comfort in that...so I will stick with that....

Madam Captain · #17 (**permalink**) 03-05-2007, 01:43 AM

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the past couple of nights I have been having a lot of really strange dreams. some are me with someone i love, though not someone i know, like a new relationship but like a year from now where i am totally in love with this person...

the two that have me really concerned,,,,
---there was a lot of other stuff going on in the dream, like connecting with old friends, from my college or high school days, this seems recurring...but in the first, my great aunt was there, she passed on at least 20 years ago. it was really strange she didn't say anything or even look like her but i knew it was her. i thought of telling her everything that was going on with the family but remember thinking she already knows, she watches us all the time. she kept waving to me, but i turned and ended up with my old friends, who i never see anymore...

--the next night, my dream was of me and my childhood best friend. she passed about 5 years ago. (when she passed we were no longer in contact but i took it very hard because growing up we were like sisters) anyway, in the dream, we were walking around town like we always did. she also didn't say anything to me, but kept gesturing, talking to me without words, like just telegraphing me her thoughts. i kept walking with her and then realized i couldn't go with her. i turned to walk away and when i looked back she was gone.

what does this mean???

Ive had a dream like this before. I dreamt about my grandfather, who died about 8 years ago. In my dream, he was sitting at the end of the table, as he always did when he was alive. He looked the same as he did when he was alive (in his later years) but he didn't say anything. I was a bit surprised to see him alive in my dream but I somehow felt as ease, knowing he was there. Also, I didn't find it strange that he wasn't talking. It was as if he was watching over me.

A friend of my Mum's had a dream similar to yours aswell. She dreamt about a very close friend who was killed in an accident in 2002. My mum's friend said she was at a party with lots of friends and she saw him there. She said he wasn't saying much but when she saw him, she went up to him and said 'You are here too'. He nodded but he didn't say anything. She said it was like old times and very reassuring that she could see him again.

twink · #18 (**permalink**) 03-08-2007, 12:52 AM

Thank you Madam Captain...I have always felt the presence of my friend, and I thought more and more about this...I think it was her way of telling me she was stillhere, and I could still talk to her. She came into my life when I was young and going through a lot, and she was the only person I relied on, as I felt everyone else was messed up. My great aunt, was someone who was connected with us, but from a distance, and I always knew she loved us even with all the family dysfunction...I think they both were there to reassure me...thanks!!